Smelling Fresh on PAGG
A 4HB enthusiast was checking out our research on the PAGG stack and she sent us an email asking about body smell and odor. It's a good thing that we don't recall hearing any feedback from our customers about odor while taking our product and thought that this conversation was too good not to post up for potential customers thinking of trying us out, or for our existing customers who take it for granted that they're kept smelling fresh.
I am currently taking the PAGG stack in individual pills. Have been having issues with odor of urine as well as smelling like garlic according to my spouse -- not appealing. I am using the brands of components in Tim's book. I've cut back to 1 pill/day of aged garlic without much improvement, and the urine smell remains using green tea and lipoic acid only.
My question is: are your components different from what Tim gave in his book in a way that might get rid of these side effects? What are your customers saying about these sorts of effects? I'm a chemist so I totally buy that R-ALA will be a benefit over the R/S stuff I'm buying now. How about the garlic-what's different from the Garlicin Tim used? If I don't have to worry about being stinky then I'm more likely to move to your single pill over juggling pills of each component.
Pareto Nutrition responds:
We use an aged garlic extract which is different from the Garlicin which Tim links to from his site. This is a bit of a contentious point since Tim links to Garlicin which is a 'deodorized' extract, but a few paragraphs later recommends Aged Garlic Extract (AGE) as he found better results with it. The aging process reduces the odor, and most people don't notice anything from it.Here's a reminder for everyone that Na-R-ALA is the stabilized form of alpha lipoic acid. We use it in our capsules, providing the best bio-availability. If you're considering trying PAGG and don't have it in your stack, you may not be getting the full benefit. ALA degrades quickly when exposed to air and heat (such as during the extreme compression used to make tablets) so be very careful about what you put into your body and make sure that you're losing fat, and not just giving off a foul smell.
ALA on the other hand does produce a strong urine odor for most people. Lipoic acid molecules contain two sulphur atoms, and many people notice a strong smell in their urine for a couple of hours after consuming it as their body excretes sulphur metabolites. Some people claim that R-ALA won't have this problem, but that's not strictly true. What is true is that by avoiding the racemic mix of ALA your body doesn't have a lot of excess (and mostly inactive) S-ALA to flush out through your kidneys. That's why we use Na-R-ALA providing 150mg of R-ALA. This would deliver the same amount as taking 300mg of racemic ALA, but the concentration of sulphur in your urine will be a lot lower and may even be undetectable.
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